You've been speaking up down the country to audiences about the experiences and situation of national Committee led by Gerry Could you say something HealV. anoue inese meetings and your purpose in doing them?
Well, I felt that these meetings were imoonan Decause U0 Cul rent was dominant for many years in Britain, so that in one way or another virtually thought that it would be extremely to clarify its nistory why it has ended up in its present decencrate I01.
What are the main points that you're taking up against Healyites?
I begin historically, pointing out strengths of Healy's group in early period but also showing period Ina 1961 Healy really anel dealina with anv of the theoretica questions facing the international Was towards a certain insularity within beginning of his Britain.
Then 1 deal with the period of the Stalinist break-up, strength that he was able to bring around his movement, and how he failed to realise its potentia just became a basis for his desire go it alone, hie teeline inarne support and enough didn't TOrGOS intenerence anyone national!v.
So he turned in this insular national direction and developed internal policies which crushed inprecer BRITAIN THE ECONOME CRISIS Ann (including o&p) from Red and any kind of opposition, any kind of collective leadership tarian course really set the Ine for the deceneration of the move is outside the pale of Trotskyism. substituting other CHICIDI But I think that it's very important tor usto answer nese anacks order to maintain and sustain and struggle within the Trotskyist movemen sensore aчuoe tion or ine interesis o menor skyist movement than a question ane of the WRP, and a means whereby INE 1953 avoided his. u teel turn ine certain TIM WOHLFORTH those currents which have broken Trom nediy lessons of what Healyism is al Cal about.
How do you explain this degeneration?
Well, any political even any individual in a movemen That can't be helped. But if they' re nar of the collective eadersno o international capable of developing kind of atmosphere ney re own movement where other can come influence the organisation, mised and other strengths deveJODCO I would say that the tendencies that we're talking about only Le Heary sal to go into the reunification of the couria internadonal think that the origins development of Healyism as any kind of separate tendency trotskvism dre 1961-63.
Committee penoc anter expulsion? really breaks stages. nere s which OCI, national Committee - the period This sec- UD TO thereafter.
between the OCI and the British slander for any ser- organisation (then groups" abour Leaque. Ano Te Uru political these two major tendencies methods of discussion were never really discussed:
tew cocuments there was no real internal life of when the place anter in And then 1971 break of that the Greek comrades. and so or tendency national Committee real break-ulo tioned merely as priority Foreign Office of the movement, Committee after 1963?
Tha main thing
and balt reunification of 1963, can be mini Danis in Revolution objectively Dedominant over Wilh questol develop they mignt at some in 1963. that this •or the rea cation of their course was heart of it. hostile in the period functioned 1963 up to your lies is that they periodo period the French organisation itself theoretically.
1971; and then the period conception.
In that first period it was essen- matter of a relationship plains all has it.
teature nere was worked out on the existed important between new experiencon various tendencios.
out, ever Cane ditterences occurred discussion only took that basis we Questiois stand DdeT into that position on 1953 were matters which the reunification ment of all the short-circuit in the period from n the to tha of tere to 1974, leading up to Int questions Workers they may have TACH - it TUnC some sort of low SLL. nauonal How would you sum up the de internationa I think, was that had failed to go into th the partici the sander Ca the Internation Committee had to justify that b and that was the central thrust became very difficult to loo Secretariat and and to deal point ha with ine United force at i ion the United Secretariat of factional justifi at the What atitude would you take to currents like the Workers Socialist which still tel inds to view national and "Pabloism', etc? Where I think the WSL's problem nave nor reai been able to think through how ar movement develops They tend to want to push that aside and have a sort of idealistic Perhaos they thinh have the whole theoretica worked out which post-war period, and no-one else But one must recognise that theoretical problems have which allow the factions cections around the world to learr developments in and on that basis to discuss our policies in relation to the theoretical implications of those policies, and, or course can go back inte and deal historical But you have to proceed, so to speak, trom ine present back mie For vou never unger into past. You can't jump past and demand that everyone take this position o They should realise by the very degeneration of the Internationa ommittee that the issues of 195.
were not settled in 1953 that they be cucsee over alone te within international movement in 1963 was no principled but essential theoretica develop tendencies 1 think that the comrades of the WSL still have a tendency to try to cussion and clarification on these and think tha they umo over the process or wor in a common international even very big differences on That's the fundamental difference of approach as to now to tesorve problems of the Fourth Inter EDUCATION FOR SOCIALISTS HEALY'S BIG LIE George vack a ta A NUMBER of readers have written to us requesting that we print the SWP's presidential election votes. We have had to delay this due to the quaint habit of some electoral authorities in the USA of not publishing minority votes cast until later and sometimes not at all.
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